Looking for my great grandfather's birth record and possibly his foster/adoption info

[onesister]

I wish that my family story does not remain unknown forever, but there are so many unanswered questions that I am losing some hope...

I find it odd that Ugo/James is not listed on the 1900 or 1910 US census with the Salvatos (only Vincenzo/James), which means that if they are not one and the same (though the same age), Ugo was either living in Italy away from his foster parents when younger or they adopted him at an older age, around 1912. The fact that he came from Scafati to Boston is also confusing. How did he get there (from Naples?) I wonder?

I just ran the "clusters" report on MyHeritage.com,where my 23andme relative is also listed, and he was not included. We share 3.1%/219cM. He is in a list with other matches that says, "The following matches met the inclusion criteria but ended up in singleton clusters without other members and are therefore excluded from the analysis as well." I take this to mean that he and I do not share a common ancestor with any of the other matches on that website.

I am waiting for my Ancestry dna results (I had never tried that one) although I don't know if any of the matches there will provide any clues to the Salvato/Ratti mystery. We shall see!

I will continue to investigate. Again, thank you to all of you for your gracious assistance in trying to unravel this mystery. I will let you know if I find anything worth pursuing further!

[cannella55]

Ho trovato una partenza di UGO RATTI, dopo quella cancellata del 26-6-1912
La data 9-7-1912
Resta la stessa destinazione Boston e la parentela in Italia con Vincenzo Salvato, lo"zio" e negli Usa con il "padre" Raffaele.

Nel necrologio è J.M. Ratti, ci sono circa 40 anni di stranezze!!
Hanno provato a richiedere il certificato di morte all'Ospedale indicato nel necrologio?

[onesister]

Very interesting, Lorena. I wonder why he sailed to Boston (maybe that was common?). I also don't know if he ever lived in Boston after being married there, or if he had any children with Luvisina Riccio. I believe they were on the same arrival ship into Boston from Italy.

Where did you find the death certificate that calls him J.M. Rats? I have not yet seen the death certificate my dna relative has in his possession (he needed to find it with his other ancestry paperwork). I didn't know that death certificates could be requested from hospitals. I can give a call and find out.

The World War II draft card from 1942 calls him James Ugo M. Ratti, born September 9, 1889, in Italy.

The Connecticut Death Index lists him as James Ratti, with a birthdate of abt 1889.

The US Social Security Applications and Claims Index lists him as James Ratti with a birthdate of September 9, 1890. He claimed Social Security benefits on September 21, 1955.

His gravestone on the US Find A Grave index says James M. Ratti, Father, 1889-1960. It says his birthdate is September 9, 1889.

Very confusing!

[cannella55]

Non ho il suo certificato di morte, ho letto il necrologio che mi hai trascritto .
Mi sembra ci sia indicato che morì in ospedale.
Le vecchie cartelle cliniche sono conservate, almeno in Italia e si possono richiedere, ovviamente non so per quanti anni.
E' vero che è passato del tempo,ma non parliamo del 1700.
La richiesta dovrà farla un parente, almeno qui è così, comunque puoi parlare con qualcuno che si occupi dello"storico" dell'Ospedale, sempre che esista, come da noi e chiarirti le idee

Mi riferisco a Ugo, non a Vincenzo.
Nelle cartelle cliniche ci sono i dati privati

Per Boston non lo so, avrà avuto qualche persona conosciuta lì.

Mi pare ci sia un altro Hugo Ratti, scritto così, che faceva il cuoco e che si trova su Ancestry e viveva a Boston,ma non ho approfondito.

Ci mancherebbe che fosse lui!!
Ho visto che faceva un altro mestiere, quindi sarà una omonimia.
Anche la moglie non coincide

[onesister]

Thank goodness for the homonym! I don't think my brain has room for any additional names!

I am anxiously awaiting my Ancestry results, hoping for a magical, insightful match to help solve this mystery (doubtful, I know). They should arrive by Monday.

I tried to see about obtaining a death certificate from the hospital but I believe we can only get them from the vital records office in the town where a person resided or died.

I was thinking to try to locate James Salvato in 1912 (as he was called on the divorce document and how he signed it) in Scafati, as I know he was there, to see if there is any indication that he stayed there and never returned to the US and/or changed his name - and/or was also living with the older Vincenzo Salvato.

[ery1]

Good morning,
these are the names that appear in the database "Fogli e ruoli matricolari, Distretto militare di Napoli", searching with the surname Ratti :

Ruoli matricolari della classe 1910 1910

• Ratti Giorgio di Cesare 1910

Fogli matricolari delle classi 1891 - 1893 1891 - 1893

• Ratti Gennaro di Pasquale 1893

Ruoli matricolari della classe 1908 1908

• Ratti Cesare di Cesare 1908

Ruoli matricolari della classe 1908 1908

• Ratti Cesare di Cesare 1908

(Ratti Cesare born 03 07 1908 Napoli).


And these in the database "Questura di Napoli, Archivio Generale, Seconda serie, Passaporti 1926 - 1932" :

1928
Ratti Luigi fu Giuseppe 1928
1926
Ratti Alba 1926
1926
Ratti Giorgio di Cesare 1926
P 1919
Ratti Raimondo di Antonio 1919
P 1919
Ratti Agostino di Lorenzo 1919

http://patrimonio.archiviodistatonapoli.it/asna-web/

[onesister]

Erica, thank you very much for this information! I was out of town this weekend so I apologize for the delayed response. I will see what I can find out re: the names listed here and any possible connection to Ugo/James Ratti!

The only Ancestry matches I have with a surname Ratti are descended from Ugo/James. Not one surname Salvato. Very strange. I was hoping for some sort of "hint" but no such luck. I will take a deeper dive and see if anyone other than those closer relatives has his name (or Vincenzo/James Salvato) in their trees.