Looking for my great grandfather's birth record and possibly his foster/adoption info

[onesister]

Hello. I am trying to find information about my great grandfather and am looking for any insight people may have. It's seeming like he was called Vincenzo/James Salvato in the US (born in Italy to I'm not sure whom) and later called James Ratti.

I have seen his date of birth in Italy listed as September 9, 1889 and also September 9, 1890. Later generations here in Connecticut USA were told that he was born in Naples but he also listed his birthplace as Scafati on one passenger list. He lived with foster parents as described below.

My great grandfather is listed as Vincenzo Salvato on the marriage certificate to my great grandmother, Rachela Pellegrino, in New Haven, CT, on July 17, 1909; however, he signed it James Salvato (I've come to learn the Vincenzo-James name relation with Italian Americans). His parents are listed as Raffaele Salvato and Rosa Arcella. He is shown on a 1910 US census as their son, but listed as single. My grandmother, Annina Salvato, was born in Atrani, Italy, on June 29, 1910. Her father is listed on the birth record as Vincenzo Salvato. Connecticut US divorce records from New Haven on June 14, 1912 (I have the certificate), list Rachela's husband as James Salvato, in parts unknown.

Later records show that on December 10, 1912, Raffeale Salvato was with his (adopted) son Ugo Ratti, who'd returned from Italy to Boston (on a marriage record there) and later moved to New Haven (and ultimately East Hartford CT). Mr. Ratti is later listed in many places as James Madeio Ratti and his family is very traceable forward. It is well-documented that he was the foster/adopted son of the Salvatos, even in Rosa's obituary.

I am related on 23andme to a man whose great grandfather was James Ratti. We share the amount of DNA that two people who share a great grandparent would share. I understand that we may have another relation, but the information we have is intriguing.

I have no information for "James Salvato" past the 1910 US census. I believe his name was changed after that time. James Ratti is seemingly the same age as Vincenzo/James Salvato, and I think the two men are one and the same person but don't know how to prove it. Does anyone have any suggestions or other thoughts if they aren't one and the same?

The Salvatos originally came from Scafati. Raffaele was born there, I believe on October 28, 1854. He and Rosa were married there December 16, 1878.

I cannot locate US arrival records for either Vincenzo Salvato or James Ratti, but if I can find his birth records it may become easier. He lists his parents as Raffaele and Rosa on all US documentation that I have seen.

I am unable to find a birth record for Vincenzo Salvato OR James Ratti. I do not know when or why he came to live with the Salvatos. Any insight or assistance locating information for him would be appreciated. Thank you.

[ery1]

Hello,
meanwhile here's the marriage record between Raffaele Salvato and Rosa Arcella, which took place on December 16, 1878 in Scafati:

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 92/LyY8k9W

[ery1]

Here's Raffaele Salvato's birth act,
he was son of Pietro and Rosa Cimmino :

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 96/wX9KG4V

[ery1]

From liste di leva of Salerno (draft lists) :

Salvato Vincenzo
son of Pietro and Cimmino Rosa
born Scafati 17/04/1857 labourer year 1857 municipality of conscription Scafati volume 2 series Leva nr. 110

Salvato Raffaele
son of Pietro and Cimmino Rosa
born Scafati 28/10/1854 labourer year 1854 municipality of conscription Scafati volume 1 series Leva nr. 102

Salvato Michele
son of Pietro and Cimmino Rosa
born Castellammare di Stabia (NA) 12/03/1850 year 1850 municipality of conscription Scafati volume 2 series Leva nr. 109

Salvati Francesco
son of Raffaele and Arcella Rosa
born Scafati 11/08/1892
year 1892 municipality of conscription Scafati volume 7 Series Leva nr. 236

[ery1]

Salvato Annina's birth record.
She was the daughter of Vincenzo and Pellegrino Rachele:

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 37/wR7BAj4

Could Vincenzo Salvato (father of Annina) be Raffaele's brother?

[ery1]

Ugo Ratti was adopted by Raffaele Salvato and Rosina Arcella, as written here on his marriage record :

Nome Ugo Retti
Età 23
Anno di nascita circa 1889
Luogo di nascita Italy
Data matrimonio 10 Dec 1912 (10 dic 1912)
Luogo del matrimonio Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA (Stati Uniti)
Padre
Raffaele Sabato
Madre
Rosena Arcella
Coniuge
Luvisina Riccio

https://i.postimg.cc/NjjycTJq/41262-b132086-00318.jpg

[onesister]

This is interesting, Erica. Thank you!The birth and marriage dates for Raffaele match what I have. I did not know that Raffaele had a brother, Vincenzo.

I don't think Raffaele's brother is my great grandfather (Annina's father) but I should try to see if I can find out if he had any children. The marriage certificate from Connecticut for Vincenzo Salvato (he signed it James Salvato) and Rachela Pellegrino that I obtained several years ago lists his age in 1909 as 21, and his parents as Raffaele Salvato and Rosa Arcella. Vincenzo is also listed on a Philadelphia US census as the son of the Salvatos in 1900 as age 10, birth year 1890. He was called James on the census document. He is later listed on the Connecticut US census in 1910 as the son of the Salvatos, age 19, born in 1899. I'm not sure if he was the biological son of the Salvatos as the later coincidences with the name James Ratti in relation to the Salvatos are confusing.

The Salvatos, to my knowledge, had a biological daughter named Francesca, born aprox 1877. She is listed on the Philadelphia 1900 census next door to the Salvatos with her husband, James Silvestro, and some children.

I also did not know that the Salvatos had a son, Francesco, whose name is so close to Francesca (above). I wonder what became of him.

I find my dna relationship to a man whose great grandfather was James Ratti, adopted/foster son of the people listed earlier on as my great grandfather's parents. Such a mystery!

[ery1]

Vincenzo Salvato' s birth record.
He was son of Pietro and Rosa Cimmino :

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 05/0AJRMqg

[onesister]

Hi Erica,

You are so helpful and I am thankful for the time you've spent looking into this!

I've seen the marriage record from Boston on US sites but I can't tell when/where he was adopted and why in later times he was listed as James Ratti rather than Ugo Ratti. Neither James nor Ugo Ratti is listed on the 1900 or 1910 census with the Salvatos which seems odd if the Salvatos had adopted him at a young age. I don't know if this was a different person than Vincenzo/James Salvato or just coincidentally a person close in age to him (although I am a close dna relative of James Ratti's great grandson and Vincenzo/James Salvato is the name I have for my great grandfather - very odd - same "parents" for both men). My newfound cousin knew that James Ratti was adopted. If he and James Salvato are one and the same, this would make sense but I would still love to know the biological parents of my great grandfather.

I cannot find a birth record for Vincenzo Salvato and/or James Ratti, (1899/1890) so I can't figure out the whole story. I understand that people were born out of wedlock, etc. (I have a great grandmother on another side and the grandmother of Annina also, for whom I have birth records), but it's finding the records that is the most difficult in this case.

My newfound cousin from 23andme reached out to me recently as he's also hit a brick wall trying to find information for Vincenzo/James in terms of arrival records or even better - a birth record - but no such luck.

Is there a way in Italy where the "foster son/adopted son" of Raffaele and Rosa would have been recorded?

[cannella55]

L'adozione avveniva tramite documenti legali e registrata con una sentenza del tribunale.

Non ho letto tutta la complicata storia,ma in sintesi, la procedura è questa.

[cannella55]

Dettagli Fonte
Nome Ugo Ratti
Sesso Male (Maschio)
Nazionalità Italian
Stato civile Single (Singolo)
Età all’arrivo 22
Data nascita circa 1890
Luogo di nascita Napol, Italy
Luogo di partenza Naples, Italy
Ultima residenza Scafat, Haly
Luogo di destinazione finale Narllao, Connecticut
Luogo di residenza Italy
Data di arrivo 26 Jun 1912 (26 giu 1912)
Luogo di arrivo Boston, Massachusetts, USA (Stati Uniti)
Carnagione Regula
Colore degli occhi Brown
Colore dei capelli Brown
Altezza 5 Feet.
Soldi 29
Nave Cretic
Padre
Raffaele Salvoth
Amico/a Raffaele Salvato
Nome persona nel paese di origine Vrncur Salafia
Luogo di residenza persona nel paese di origine Scafat
Parentela persona nel paese di origine Uncle (Zio)
Nome persona negli Stati Uniti Raffaele Salvoth
Parentela persona negli Stati Uniti Father (Padre)


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[ery1]

Hi,
in 1920 Census appear both James Ratti and Raffaele Salvato :

Nome Raphael Salvata
Età 66
Anno di nascita circa 1854
Luogo di nascita Italy (Italia)
Residenza nel 1920 East Hartford, Hartford, Connecticut
Residenza 96
Data residenza 1920
Razza White (Europoide)
Sesso Male (Maschio)
Anno di immigrazione 1897
Relazione con il capo famiglia Father (Padre)
Stato civile Married (Sposato/a)
Coniuge Rose Salvata
Luogo di nascita del padre Italy (Italia)
Luogo di nascita della madre Italy (Italia)
Lingua madre Italian
Capace di parlare l’inglese no
Stato di naturalizzazione Alien
Ha frequentato la scuola No
In grado di leggere Yes
In grado di scrivere Yes
Membri del nucleo familiare (Nome) Età Parentela
James M Ratti 29
Head (Capofamiglia)
Mary Ratti
28
Wife (Moglie)
Rose Marie Ratti 2
Daughter (Figlia)
Rayfel J Ratti
0
Son (Figlio)
Raphael Salvata 66
Father (Padre)
Rose Salvata 62
Mother (Madre)
Angelo Santamenna 16
Brother (Fratello)

[cannella55]

Ugo sarebbe nato a Napoli il 9-9-1889
Nel matrimonio con Riccio L. nel 1912 l'età corrisponde con la presunta data di nascita, quindi è UGO RATTI, che sposa Riccio L.,almeno sino al 1912 è così...
Ho fatto una breve genealogia,ma ci sono molte date e nomi confusi

Pietro Salvato,nato circa nel 1828 sposa Rosa Cimmino, stessa età più o meno in ITALIA

Da loro nascono:
MICHELE il 12-3-1850
RAFFAELE il 27-10-1854
VINCENZO il 17-4-1857

RAFFAELE sposa il 16-12-1878 ARCELLA ROSA e secondo le liste di leva avrebbero un figlio maschio, FRANCESCO nato l'11-8-1892, quindi parecchi anni dopo il matrimonio.

UGO RATTI, che è adottato, nascerebbe, secondo le liste di leva americane, il 9-9-1889, da chi non si sa, visto che i genitori risultano sempre quelli adottivi(Raffaele e Rosa Arcella)
Nasce comunque PRIMA del loro figlio naturale Francesco e a quanto pare non cambia mai il cognome e il nome.

UGO RATTI arriverebbe il 26-6-1912

UGO RATTI, con questa dicitura, si sposa il 10-12-1912 con Riccio L. e in un censimento i figli della coppia hanno il cognome RATTI


A questo punto abbiamo un VINCENZO SALVATO che il 17-7-1909(quanti anni aveva nel documento?) sposa RACHELE PELLEGRINO
Annina nascerà in ITALIA, padre assente, il 30-6-1910

Nel censimento del 1920 appare JAMES M.RATTI, di 29 anni, nato circa nel 1891.
Chi sarà?

L'unico collegamento tra Vincenzo e James è la FIRMA nel documento di matrimonio, che non abbiamo visto

Vincenzo e Rachele divorzieranno nel 1912, avete il documento?




Chi sarà?

[cannella55]

James è GIACOMO in italiano, non VINCENZO,ma per gli italoamericani non lo so.

[cannella55]

Puoi mettere i documenti in tuo possesso?
le morti di Raffaele, Vincenzo Salvato e Ugo, James M. Ratti le avete?

Nome James M Ratti
Sesso Male (Maschio)
Data nascita 9 Sep 1889 (9 set 1889)
Luogo di nascita Naples, Città Metropolitana di Napoli (Napoli), Campania, Italy (Italia)
Data decesso 1960
Cimitero Mount Saint Benedict Cemetery
Luogo di sepoltura o cremazione Bloomfield, Hartford County (Hartford), Connecticut, United States of America (Stati Uniti)
Ha dati biografici? Y
Coniuge
Maria Ratti
Margaret Ratti


Dettagli Fonte
Nome James Ugo M Ratti
Sesso Male (Maschio)
Razza White (Europoide)
Data nascita 9 Sep 1889 (9 set 1889)
Luogo di nascita Naples, Italy (Italia)
Luogo di residenza Hartford, Connecticut, USA (Stati Uniti)
Data della leva militare 1942
Coniuge
Marie Ratti

Scheda liste di leva della Seconda Guerra Mondiale
Qui appare James Ugo M.Ratti, nella tomba solo James M.
La nascita però è la stessa, 9-9-1889