searching for births in Pino Italy

[sntcall]

i would love any help i can get! my family has been searching for 35+ years for these records and we cant find them anywhere. i have checked naturalization records and i am in the process of rechecking them for a second time...i check updated on ancestry almost daily. biggest problem is everything my g-grandmother and her siblings signed they changed their place of birth. so i have checked every location listed on every census and ship record except one..i found my uncle's passage and for the first time he listed Italy as a place of birth. all other times they have listed Switzerland. from the stories my grandmother told they lived on the border and i have found the fathers side in the Ticino Switzerland area. My Uncle listed he was born in "Pino" Italy and his parents were still in Como. there is a Pino lago Maggiore in the area that i had been researching with a como very near so i am assuming this is the area... his name was Luigi Baroni parents Vincenzo and Aurelia Taddei Baroni he was born July 26 1888. His sisters....Nathalene Mary Baroni born March 9 1884 and Clelia Carolina Baroni born February 28 1889. Spellings may vary and possibly dates of birth on Luigi or Louis. Baroni may be spelled Barone.....And the only other info I have on their parents is that the father was a border guard. other than that i only have the names that my grandmother gave me. there was possibly another child named Giovanni that did not come to the US...they all immigrated in their late teenage years and married people from this area also. but they remain a mystery......i welcome any help because i dont know where to turn next. i have all US records on these three siblings but i need a birth to go back further in generations. Thanks for all of you comments and ideas....

[sntcall]

I responded wrong and wrote a whole new post...ha ha I dont read or speak Italian and hit wrong button!! see new post please!! thanks

[sntcall]

Update......i just found another record for Luigi Baroni....He lists Tronzano Italy as his place of birth...and parents are in Pino Como...... Is Tronzano in this same area? it looks like it on the map i have of lago maggiore but i also see a couple more Tronzano....this is the 5 or 6 place he has listed as a birth would Tronzano and Pino records be in the same area?

[ziadani]

I comuni di !Maccagno con Pino e Veddasca"e e "Tronzano Lago Maggiore" confinano

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tronzano_Lago_Maggiore

[ery1]

Hi,
I've found that his sister Clelia Baroni got married to Andrew Bertoletti and in their marriage license it's written she was born in Bellinzona, in the Italian-speaking Canton of Ticino, Switzerland:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1609797


In 1910 she had not yet naturalized:

Census 1910

Name: Clelia Bertoletti
[Chlia Undues]
Age in 1910: 21 [31]
Year of birth: around 1889 [around 1879]
Place of birth: Italy (Italia)
Residence in 1910: Butte Ward 5, Silver Bow, Montana
Address: E Park Avenue
Race: White (Europoide)
Sex: Female (Femmina)
Immigration year: 1904 [1900]
Relationship with head: Wife (Moglie)
Civil status: Married (Sposato/a)
Husband: Andrew Bertoletti
Father's place of birth: Italy (Italia)
mother's place of birth: Italy (Italia)
Native language: English
Attended school: No
Able to read: Yes
Able to write: Yes
Years of marriage: 4

Household members:
Name Age
Andrew Bertoletti 46
Clelia Bertoletti 21[31]
Anthony Muscas 34


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1727033

She died on November 7, 1914.
Her burial:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... =139924415


Erica

[ery1]

Luigi came in USA the first time in 1912 to join her sister Clelia in Butte City, Montana (address 266 E Park Street):

Name: Luigi Baroni
Date of arrival: 29 Nov 1912
Date of birth: around 1886
Place of birth: Italy (Italia)
Another place of birth: Tronzano
Age: 26
Sex: Male (Maschio)
Nationality: Italian (North) (Italiano)
Departure port: Havre, France
Arrival port: New York, New York
Ship: Niagara.


Andrew Bertoletti died on April 27, 1916:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1930397

His burial:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... p;ref=acom


Erica

[ery1]

I think this is your Luigi Baroni, although it's incorrect the year and the day of birth:

United States World War I Draft Registration Cards
Name: Louis Barone
Event Type: Draft Registration
Event Date: 1917-1918
Event Place: Gallatin County, Montana, United States
Gender: Male
Nationality: Switzerland
Birth Date : 27 Jul 1889
Birthplace: Gerra Gambarogno, Switzerland


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1968530

Gerra (Gambarogno) is a former municipality in the district of Locarno, in the Canton of Ticino in Switzerland.
It's near the border with Italy and near Pino and Tronzano.

On 25 April 2010, the former municipalities of Caviano, Contone, Gerra Gambarogno, Indemini, Magadino, Piazzogna, San Nazzaro, Sant'Abbondio and Vira Gambarogno merged in the new municipality of Gambarogno.



Census 1920

Name: Louis Barone
Age: 30
Year of birth: around 1890
Place of birth: Switzerland (Svizzera)
Residence in 1920: Trident, Gallatin, Montana
Address: Dage town
Race: White (Europoide)
Sex: Male (Maschio)
Immigration year: 1913
Relationship to head of household: Head (Capofamiglia)
Civil Status: Single (Singolo)
Father's place of birth: Italy (Italia)
Mother's place of birth: Switzerland (Svizzera)
Native language: Italian
Able to speak English: Yes
Profession: Artist
Job sector: Portrait
Profession: Own Account
Own or rent: Rent
Naturalization: Alien
Able to read: No
Able to write: No

Household mebers:
Name Age
Louis Barone 30

In the passenger list in 1912 his prefession is painter, in 1920 Census it's artist...very similar.


Erica

[ery1]

For Luigi's birth certificate you should send the request to:

Ufficio circondariale dello stato civile
Via della Posta 9/ CP363
6600 Locarno
Switzerland

T: +41 91 816 15 31
F: +41 91 816 15 39
di-usc.locarno@ti.ch

Business hours: mon-fri 09.00 - 11.45 / 14.00 - 16.00
Manager: Tania Wiczynski

https://www.gambarogno.ch/organizzazione/stato_civile/


Erica

[ery1]

Luigi's marriage:

Montana, County Marriages, 1865-1950, database of FamilySearch

Name: Louis Barone
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 May 1920
Event Place: Butte, Silver Bow, Montana
Age: 22
Birth Year: (Estimated) 1898
Father's Name: Vincent Barone
Mother's Name: Taddie Eulalia
Spouse's Name: Mary Romeo
Spouse's Age: 28
Spouse's Birth Year: (Estimated) 1892
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Romeo
Spouse's Mother's Name: Catherina Mina

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1609797

In the marriage license it's written he was born in Gerra (Switzerland), his mother's name is Eulalia instead of Aurelia and surname Taddei (wrong transcription above).


United States World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942

Name: Louis Barone
Event Type: Draft Registration
Event Date: 1942
Event Place: Oakland, Alameda, California, United States
Residence Place: Oakland, Alameda, California
Gender: Male
Employer: Louis/Barone
Birth Date : 26 Jul 1889

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1861144


Census 1940

Name: Louis Barone
Age: 50
Year of birth: around 1890
Sex: Male (Maschio)
Race: White (Europoide)
Place of birth: Switzerland (Svizzera)
Civil status: Married (Sposato/a)
Relationship to head of household: Head (Capofamiglia)
Residence in 1940: Oakland, Alameda, California
Address: Paxton Avenue
House number: 3467
Farm: No
Residence in 1935: Oakland, Alameda, California
Residence in 1935: Same House
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet number: 7A
Number of household: 155
Profession: Maintenance
Own or rent: Owned
Valore della casa o affitto mensile (se in affitto): 4000
Attended University: No
Level of education: High School, 4th year
Number of hours worked: 40
Class of worker: Wage or salary worker in private work
Number of weeks worked in 1939: 52
Amount of money wages: 1700
Other salary: Yes

Household members:
Name Age
Louis Barone 50
Mary Barone 48
Aurelia Barone 19 (born in Montana)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9ZY-3H5



Luigi died in Santa Clara (California) on September 22, 1961:

California Death Index, 1940-1997, database of FamilySearch

Name: Louis Barone
Sex: Male (Maschio)
Date of birth: 26 Jul 1889 (26 lug 1889)
Date of death: 22 Sep 1961 (22 set 1961)
Place of death: Santa Clara

His burial:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... p;ref=acom


Erica

[ery1]

From California Death Index, 1940-1997, database of FamilySearch:

Name: Mary Barone
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 26 May 1967
Event Place: Alameda, California, United States
Birth Date : 03 Jun 1891
Birthplace : Italy
Gender: Female
Mother's Name: Mina

I think this is Mary Romeo Barone's journey:

New York Passengers list, 1820-1957 (Ancestry.com collection)

Nome: Maria Romeo
Arrival date: 27 Mar 1920
Date of birth: circa 1892
Place of birth: Italy (Italia)
Other place of birth: Siderno, Reggio Calabria, Calabria
Age: 28
Sex: Female (Femmina)
Nationality: Italian (South) (Italiano)
Departure port: Napoli
Arrival port: New York, New York
Ship: America






Erica

[ery1]

This is the birth act (n. 89) of Maria Romeo, daughter of Giuseppe Romeo and Caterina Mina, born in Siderno on May 22, 1893:

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0


Erica

[ery1]

Their daughter's birth and death:

Aurelia Catherine Barone
[Aurelia Barone Bowen]
[Aurelia Bowen]
Sex: Female (Femmina)
Race: White (Europoide)
Date of birth: 23 Feb 1921
Place of birth: Trident, Montana
Date of death: 3 Apr 2006
Father: Louis Barone
Mother: Mary Romeo
Tipo di rivendicazione: Original SSN.
Note: May 1938: Name listed as AURELIA CATHERINE BARONE;
Name listed as AURELIA BARONE BOWEN;
11 Apr 2006: Name listed as AURELIA C BOWEN

Their daughter's marriage:

Name: Aurelia Catherine Barone
Sex: Female (Femmina)
Date of marriage: 29 Jun 1940 (29 giu 1940)
Place of marriage: Alameda, California, USA
Husband: Leon Franklin Bowen.


Erica

[sntcall]

you did alot of work! unfortunately i have most of that info.... we have searched extensively in Switzerland and there are no birth records for any of these three siblings. my problem is they often changed their place of birth on papers that they signed...census, marriage records etc. i have information as to after their immigration to US but i need their birth records to continue on. i finally found Luigi ship record in which he did state Tronzano! first time on anything he signed that he put Italy!! (which is where i suspect they are from) he also put on those records he was leaving Pino for US and his parents were still in Como. but these records are not on film or digital yet as far as im able to see. Also Clelia's ship record she put she was born in Northern Italy. after they came to US they changed spellings of names and all of them put Switzerland on everything. but the 2 sisters husbands were from Piazoggna area so maybe that why ? never the less im so hoping that the records are in the Pino-Tronzano area of Lago Maggiore. i have searched the Ticino area of Switzerland till there is no where left to search........

[ery1]

we have searched extensively in Switzerland and there are no birth records for any of these three siblings

What kind of search? Do you have already written to the Locarno office?

Do you think they all stated the false?

This is the passenger list of his journey:





Tronzano could be his last residence only, even if it's written also in the column “Place of birth” (personal experience), however to erase any doubts you have to do the research also in Italy.

Good luck!


Erica

[sntcall]

yes i do believe some of the things they stated are false because they stated differently on other documents....there were some extenuating circumstances...but i have not checked the tronzano area so i am hoping that this document might bring me some luck!!! i have written to municipalities and have had no luck in response. i have emailed parrishes with the same outcome..... im kinda at my wits end!! but thanks so much for your interest and help.....if you have any other ideas im open to them...i guess i need to find someone that can do a search over there or wait for records to be digitized.....but i am hopeful that the Pino, Tronzano area of lago maggiore is where i will find them.