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Mi aiutate a ricostruire la vita in Usa di Achille Frasnelli (e se possibile della sua discendenza) nato a Mollaro TN il 1.12.1875, emigrato in USA con la moglie Cecilia, i figli Alberto Martino e Valentino forse nel 1904?
Grazie in anticipo
Giuliano

Aveva un fratello Oreste ed una sorella Erminia anche loro in USA

Ciao, Achille emigrò la prima volta nel 1889, almeno dal rilascio del suo passaporto in USA nel 1904, e quindi già naturalizzato... la data di nascita è lievemente differente:

U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
about Achille Frasnelli
Name: Achille Frasnelli
Birth Date: 15 Dec 1875
Birth Place: Mularo Tyrol, Austria
Residence: So McAllister, Indian Territory
Passport Issue Date: 13 May 1904
Passport Includes a Photo: N
Source: Passport Applications, 1795-1905 (M1372)
http://s6.imagestime.com/out.php/i401004_achille1.jpg

ritorna negli USA nel 1904:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Achille Frasnelli
Name: Achille Frasnelli
Arrival Date: 21 Jun 1904
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Antwerp, Belgium
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (North) (Italian)
Ship Name: Finland
Search Ship Database: View the Finland in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 21
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_470
Page Number: 107
con la famiglia....

e ancora nel 1912:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Achille Frasnelli
Name: Achille Frasnelli
Arrival Date: 19 Jun 1912
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Age: 37
Port of Departure: Boulogne-Sur-Mer, France
Place of Origin: Usc
Ship Name: Rijndam
Search Ship Database: View the Rijndam in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 1
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1884
Page Number: 128

non riesco a trovare i censimenti...
ma quando lo raggiunge Oreste e va dal fratello Achille risulta residente a Bridgeport, OHIO

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Oreste Frasnelli
Name: Oreste Frasnelli
Arrival Date: 25 Dec 1904
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 26
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Southampton
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: St Louis
Search Ship Database: View the St Louis in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 9
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_523
Page Number: 21

Oreste era già stato in USA e anche questa volta si recava dal fratello Kelly Frasnelli a McAllister, Indian Territory
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Vuste Frasnelli
Name: Vuste Frasnelli
Arrival Date: 31 Dec 1902
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Rotterdam
Place of Origin: Austria
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Austrian
Ship Name: Potsdam
Search Ship Database: View the Potsdam in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 24
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_315
Page Number: 130

quindi subito dopo il viaggio del 1904 Achille si era spostato a Bridgeport OH...
Achille muore in Ohio:
Ohio Deaths, 1908-1932, 1938-1944, and 1958-2002
about Kelly Frasnelli
Name: Kelly Frasnelli
Birth Date: Est. 1875

Gender: Male
Race: White

Residence County: Belmont
Residence State: Ohio
Residence Country: United States

Death Date: 21 Dec 1962
City of Death: Martins Ferry
County of Death: Belmont
Certificate: 86180
Age at Death: 87
Certifier: Physician
Autopsy: Yes, used for certification

Marital Status: Widowed

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ecco il listamento della WWI:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Kelley Frsnelly
Name: Kelley Frsnelly
County: Belmont
State: Ohio
Birth Date: Jan
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1819742
DraftBoard: 1
Age:

Occupation:

Nearest Relative:

Height/Build:

Color of Eyes/Hair:

Signature: View image

la moglie si chiama Cecilia... il documento è alquanto illegibile...
http://s6.imagestime.com/out.php/i40102 ... lliWWI.jpg
ciao,
suanj

Il cognome è diventato Frasnelly per i figli; ecco il dato di morte di Martino:
Ohio Deaths, 1908-1932, 1938-1944, and 1958-2002
about Martin J Frasnelly
Name: Martin J Frasnelly
Birth Date: Est. 1900

Gender: Male
Race: White

Residence County: Belmont
Residence State: Ohio
Residence Country: United States

Death Date: 15 Nov 1959
City of Death: Martins Ferry
County of Death: Belmont
Certificate: 75334
Age at Death: 59
Certifier: Physician
Autopsy: Yes, used for certification

Marital Status: Married

Cecilia morì il 1 feb 1952 ecco il certificato di morte:
http://s6.imagestime.com/out.php/i401043_cecilia1.jpg
spero di trovare qualcosa su Valentino....
ciao,
suanj

finalmente un censimento:

1930 United States Federal Census
about Kelly Trasnelly
Name: Kelly Trasnelly
Home in 1930: Pease, Belmont, Ohio
View Map
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Cecelia
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Kelly Trasnelly 54
Cecelia Trasnelly 54
Valentine Trasnelly 27
Louis Trasnelly 16

come vedi ebbero un altr figlio: Louis
http://s6.imagestime.com/out.php/i40104 ... snelly.jpg

ed ecco quello del 1920:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Kelly Froaneli
Name: Kelly Froaneli
[Kelly Franneli]
Home in 1920: Pease, Belmont, Ohio
Age: 45 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Tirol
[Tirol / Tyrol]
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Cecelia
Father's Birth Place: Tirol
Mother's Birth Place: Tirol
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: Un
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 741
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Kelly Froaneli 45
Cecelia Froaneli 45
Valentine Froaneli 16
Louis Froaneli 5
Martha Kreiner 69

c'era anche la madre di Cecilia... http://s6.imagestime.com/out.php/i40104 ... snelli.jpg
e il 1910:
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1910 United States Federal Census
about Kelly Leasmelli
Name: Kelly Leasmelli
[Kelly Trasmelli]
Age in 1910: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Austria Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Austria
Mother's Birth Place: Austria
Spouse's Name: Cecelia
Home in 1910: Pease, Belmont, Ohio
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Kelly Leasmelli 34
Cecelia Leasmelli 34
Albert Leasmelli 15
Martin Leasmelli 10
Valentine Leasmelli 7
Martha Kunis 62
John Kunis 69

http://s6.imagestime.com/out.php/i40104 ... snelli.jpg

suanj

ecco il listamento di Martino nella WWI:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Martin Frasnelly
Name: Martin Frasnelly
County: Belmont
State: Ohio
Birth Date: 11 Oct 1899
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1819742
DraftBoard: 1

non posto l'immagine perchè tanto è pressocchè illegibile....
ciao,
suanj

Se ti può tornare utile per ritrovare altri dati sulla discendenza ho trovato altri dati riguardo ai fratelli di Achille.
1 Oreste muore in USA il 1.3.1906 non so dove, non so perché
2Achille ha anche una sorella in Usa, Erminia nata 24.12.1884 sposata con Enrico Banal. Qualche figlio dovrbbe vivere nel Minnesota.
Alberto, Valentino, Martino e Luigi hanno a loro volta avuto dei Figli??
Grazie Giuliano

la naturalizzazione di Erminia:
Minnesota Naturalization Records Index, 1854-1957
about Erminia Banal
Name: Erminia Banal
County: Hibbing
Reel: 8
Code: 314
Volume: 4
Page: 37
ancora:
Minnesota Naturalization Records Index, 1854-1957
about Erminia Frasnelli Banal
Name: Erminia Frasnelli Banal
County: Virginia
Reel: 50
Code: 290
Volume: OR
Page: 45



la morte di Erminia:
Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002
about Erminia Banal
Name: Erminia Banal
Death Date: 15 Aug 1950
Death County: Saint Louis
State File Number: 014331
Certificate Number: 014331
Certificate Year: 1950
Record Number: 1132538

1920:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Armenia Banall
Name: Armenia Banall
[Armenia Barrall]
Home in 1920: Great Scott, St Louis, Minnesota
Age: 35 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Eric
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Year of Immigration: 1914
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Image: 215
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Eric Banall 39
Armenia Banall 35
Mary Banall 10
George Vittani o Vittori 55 (pensionante)

1930 United States Federal Census
about Ermina Benal
Name: Ermina Benal
Home in 1930: Buhl, St Louis, Minnesota
View Map
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Enrico
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Enrico Benac 49
Ermina Benal 45
Oreste Benal 21
Mary Benal 20
Sylvia Benal 9
Henry Benal 5
Ernest Seppi


la morte dell'ultimo figlio:
Name: Henry Louis Banal
Birth: 4 May 1924
Death: 9 Jun 2008 - Sauk Centre, Stearns, Minnesota
Civil: Minnesota
necrologio:
Dr. Henry Banal, 84, died Monday, June 9, 2008 at St. Michael’s Hospital in Sauk Centre.

Henry was born May 4, 1924 in Buhl to Enrico and Erminia (Fransnelli) Banal. He graduated from Buhl High School in 1942 and attended Hibbing Junior College. He then served with the U.S. Navy in the Pacific Theatre during World War II. Henry graduated from the University of Minnesota Veterinary College in 1952.

On May 3, 1958, he married his wife, Helen, in Windom. He practiced veterinary medicine for 35 years and together with Dr. Charles Brown established the Sauk Centre Veterinary Clinic.

Henry was a member of Our Lady of the Angels Catholic Church and had served as a member of the choir, an usher, a Eucharistic Minister, on the parish council and taught religious education. He also served his community as a member of the Sauk Centre City Council, as mayor of Sauk Centre and as the first chairperson of the Sauk Centre Area Combined Fund. He was appointed to the Minnesota Board of Animal Health. As a member of the Sauk Centre Seniors, he was a strong advocate for senior citizens. He was instrumental in the establishment of the Senior Center and in bringing the city bus to Sauk Centre. He was also a member of the Bishop Busch Council 4863 Knights of Columbus, Queen of Peace General Assembly of the Fourth Degree Knights of Columbus, Paul F. Donart VFW Post 2853, American Legion Post 67, Minnesota Veterinary Association and American Veterinary Medicine Association.

An avid musician, Henry played numerous instruments, but his passion was the clarinet. He was a member of the St. Cloud Municipal Band, the Long Prairie Chamber Orchestra and Sentimental Journey. He was also an enthusiastic music teacher. Henry also collected antiques and restored antique furniture.

Survivors include his wife of 50 years, Helen Banal of Sauk Centre; four children, Mary Ellen (Michael) Sauser of Pine City, Thomas (Karen) Banal of Sauk Centre, Susan (Andrew Tanick) Banal of Minnetonka and Mark Banal of Hopkins; four grandchildren, Matthew, Danielle, and Christopher Banal of Sauk Centre and Talia Tanick of Minnetonka; two sisters, Mary Seppi of Buhl and Sylvia Perell of Hibbing; and many nieces and nephews.

He was preceded in death by his son, Dominic Banal; his parents; two infant brothers; and brother, Oreste Banal.
Mass of Christian Burial will be 10:30 a.m. Saturday, June 21 at Our Lady of the Angels Catholic Church in Sauk Centre. Military honors will be provided by the Sauk Centre United Veterans Honor Guard with interment following in Calvary Cemetery.

Friends may call from 4-8 p.m. Friday, June 20 and 8 to 10 a.m. on Saturday at the Patton-Schad Funeral Home in Sauk Centre. Arrangements were made with Patton-Schad Funeral and Cremation Services of Sauk Centre.

foto:
http://s6.imagestime.com/out.php/i401330_herybanal.jpg
matrimonio:
Minnesota Marriage Collection, 1958-2001
about Henry L Banal
Name: Henry L Banal
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1925
Age: 33

Spouse: Helen F Hanson
Gender: Female
Spouse Birth Date: abt 1925
Spouse Age: 33

Marriage Date: 3 May 1958
Filing Location (County): Cottonwood
State: Minnesota

suanj

Enrico Banal marito di Erminia:
Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002
about Enrico Banal
Name: Enrico Banal
Birth Date: 26 Sep 1880
Death Date: 10 Mar 1967
Death County: Saint Louis
Mother's Maiden Name: Cristelotti
State File Number: 006885
Certificate Number: 006885
Certificate Year: 1967
Record Number: 1666096

Enrico Banal
Birth

10-04-1880
in Ceola,Austria

Death

10 Mar 1967
in Saint Louis, Minnesota

moglie e figli:
Erminia Frasnelli 1884 – 1950

[b-]Orest John Banal 08-05-1907 [/b]in Lavis Italy 12-01-1992 in Hibbing, MN -sposa: Karin Agusta Rodby in Duluth, Minnesota, USA il 1936 31 May-

-Mary Marie Banal 1910 – sposa: Ernest Seppi; due figli viventi e uno deceduto: Ernest Leonard Seppi 1940 – 2007

-Sylvia Perine Banal 1921 – sposa: Bruno Anthony Perell ; figli 4 viventi

-Henry Banal 1924 – vedi necrologio
suanj

Suanj sei sempre molto efficente. Grazie
Ti volevo chiedere ancora una cosa. Hai capito se Albert, Martin, Valentine ,e Louis figli di Achille (Kelly) Hanno avuto dei figli??

non si trova niente; i database sono:
Ohio Deaths, 1908-1932, 1938-1944, and 1958-2002
Ohio Marriages, 1803-1900
e come vedi.... si saranno sposati dopo... l'unica cosa è trovare i necrologi.... se si trovano...
ciao,
suanj

ho trovato la data di nascita di Alberto; residente in Bridgeport OH, è arruolato in Minnesota, per questo non c'era nel censimento, dice di essere nato negli USA, ma sono sicura che è lui, il figlio di Achille:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Albert Fresnelli
Name: Albert Fresnelli
County: Cass
State: Minnesota
Birthplace: Oklahoma;United States of America
Birth Date: 12 Sep 1895
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1675386
DraftBoard: 0

http://s6.imagestime.com/out.php/i401603_albert.jpg
suanj