Translation please

[ery1]

This is Antonio Romanin born March 18 1894.

Yes, he was born in a house situated in Cannaregio (Venice) at n°2277.

His father was Giuseppe, 49 yo, royal clerk and his mother Rosa Marini was housewife, both residing in Venice.

Died May 5 1955. What are the other dates in the death date notification?

No, he died on may 5 1966 in Cadoneghe (Padova). Act n° 9 part I year 1966, annotation of March 23 1970 (in Venice).

Erica

[nmgarza811]

Royal Clerk? What was that exactly?

This is Tullio (?) Romanin born September 21 1894 to Vittorio Romanin.
Don't see the mother's name.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,349742501

[ery1]

Correct! Tullio was born in a house situated in Castello (Venice) at n°2486.
His father was Vittorio Romanin, 33 yo, mechanician, residing in Venice and his mother was a not mentioned unmarried woman.

It isn't written about a late recognition...

Royal Clerk? What was that exactly?

I think he was an employee of the Imperial Royal Government of Venice, we don't know in which sector...maybe state property, customs...

Erica

[nmgarza811]

Interesting....

So I have decided to take a break from birth records and try death records. I cannot make heads or tales of what I am looking at and there seems to be 3 different types of records? But I would appreciate help in learning how to read the death records...

So I came across this one for Carlo Canziani and I can see his parents names so I know he is a confirmed family member. But can you please translate the rest for me so I can get a feel for the records? I see the name Regina Pitteri but does it say who that is?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,349804501

Thank you!

[dgionco]

Carlo Canziani dead March 20th 1928
He was 9 days old.
Born and living in Venice.
Son of Nicola and Giulietta Bon

[nmgarza811]

Thank you... I hate when I confirm a family member only to see they died as an infant. Heart breaking.

This one is Angelo Poletto, but again, not sure how to read these.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n986346665

[ery1]

So I came across this one for Carlo Canziani and I can see his parents names so I know he is a confirmed family member. But can you please translate the rest for me so I can get a feel for the records? I see the name Regina Pitteri but does it say who that is?

The full text of the act is:
“Death act n°259

In the year 1928 on March 23rd at 3:10 PM in the town hall, in front of me Zuccari Dr. Cav. Ennio Director of the Civil Status and for approved delegation of March 27th 1916,Official of the Civil Status of Venice, have appeared Vittori Regina, 36 years old, housewife, residing in Venice and Canziani Nicola, 28 yo, carpenter, residing in Venice, which have declared me that at 9:30 PM of the 20th of the current month in a house situated in Dorsoduro at n°1849 died Canziani Carlo, 9 days years old, residing in Venice, born in Venice to Nicola, carpenter, residing in Venice and Bon Giulietta, housewife, residing in Venice.
In this act were present as witnesses Munari Ettore, 46 years old, employee and Scarpa Mario, 21 years old, employee, residing both in this town.
Read this act to all participants they have signed it with me except the declarant illiterate (Regina Vittori)”.

We don't know if Regina is related to Carlo Canziani, she could be only a neighbor.

Erica

[ery1]

Death act n°31

Declarants: Poletto Silvio, 25 years old, turner, residing in Venice and Paresini Giovanni, 40 years old, usher, residing in Venice.
They have declared that at 6:00 PM of yesterday (so January 9th) in a house situated in Dorsoduro at n°2736 died Poletto Angelo, 2 years old, residing in Venice, born in Venice to Tullio, liquor store operator, residing in Venice and Pesce Giacomina, housewife, residing in Venice.

Erica

[nmgarza811]

Thank you Erica! That gives me an idea of where to find the date of death.

And I thought you might find this interesting. Someone in a Facebook group I belong to posted a list of well known names of Jewish Italian families, and Romanin is on the list. No idea!

[nmgarza811]

So this one is Giovanna Canziani died in July 1928? I think these may take me a little longer to grasp on where to pull the details from.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,349804501

[ery1]

And I thought you might find this interesting.

Yes, I put my knowledge of the English language to the test.

The Romanin were bankers in San Vito al Tagliamento already at the end of '500, I've found something about this Jewish family here:
https://books.google.it/books?id=GOu0qC ... ea&f=false

Erica

[ery1]

Death act n°614

Declarants: Tian Ruggero, 43 years old, laborer, residing in Venice and Bullo Luigi, 39 years old, usher, residing in Venice.
They have declared that at 9:00 AM of today (so July 25th 1928) in a house situated in Dorsoduro at n°3050 died Canziani Giovanna, 83 years old, housewife, residing in Venice, born in Venice to the late Antonio and the late Costantin Teresa, widow of Tian Gaetano.

Erica

[nmgarza811]

You are incredible!! I need to find someone to translate this for me. But I can see that it appears that the Romanins and The Luzzattos were connected even that far back. Seems to start supporting what my mother had been told all those many years ago. I wish she were alive for me to tell her.

[nmgarza811]

So this is L Poletto (can't quite decipher the first name) who died Mar 27 1929?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,349804501

[ery1]

Hi,
is this your genealogical tree?
http://www.geni.com/people/Bice-Rosina- ... 3175545193

I've found what happened to Mario Romanin, son of Guido and Ermenegilda Luzzatto:

http://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=& ... 9193,d.bGg

http://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=& ... YrEB0o6VXw

http://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=& ... 9193,d.bGg

Mario Romanin married Elena Ottolenghi (daughter of Silvio, a photographer) on September 3 1933 in Turin and they lived in Via Lagrange at n°34.

On October 13 1938 in Turin was born their daughter Miriam.

In 1943 the family moved to Milan, where Mario thought there was less risk of being recognized as Jews.
They rented an apartment in Corso XXII Marzo and immediately began looking fo false documents.
They changed name to Rossi and Mario found a job in the insurance company called Assicurazioni Generali.

In 1944 the furniture of their home in Turin were seized.

One day of Febraury in 1945 he was stopped in Piazza Duomo and was taken to the German command at Hotel Regina.

He was locked in a cell for 7 days and suffered heavy interrogation, in order to coerce him to reveal where his family was hiding.
His family was temporarily in an apartment in Piazza Grandi, without food, and when Elena came back to take the cards (tessere annonarie) in the other apartment she and her daughter were captured and taken to the S. Vittore prison, the next day Germans brought there the rest of the family.

They remained there about 3 months and on April 25 1945 they were released.

Erica