Archivio Arcivescovile di Lucca

[mazzie74]

Hi

A while ago, a fantastic user on this site was going to the Archivio Arcivescovile di Lucca for her own research, and whilst there she found the time to look up my "Mazzei" ancestors in the hamlet of Colognora di Val di Roggio (Pescaglia, Lucca).

That has helped me immensely in my family tree search and I can't thank her enough.

If there is anybody else visiting the Arcivio Arcivescovile di Lucca for their own research and does have some spare time (please don't go specifically for me) can you please look through the archives for Colognora di Val di Roggio from 1902-1950 (providing they have them) for the possible deaths of:

(children of Iacopo Mazzei and Rosa Guazzelli);

Stella Mazzei - not sure of her year of birth but probably between 1814 and 1823);

Maria Florinda Mazzei - born Colognora 1823;

Angela Mazzei - born Colognora 1825;

Maria Diomira Mazzei (married name Ricci) - born Colognora 1826.
Also her children by Giuseppe Domenico Raimondo Ricci;
Filippo Luigi Ricci - born Colognora 1844;
Maria Eufemia Ricci - born Colognora 1848;
Costantino Ricci - born Colognora 1852;
Ersilia Ricci - born Livorno 1856.

(children of Luigi Mazzei and Rosa Lombardi);

Maria Adelaide Frati (maiden name Mazzei) - born Colognora in 1844;
Her husband Ginese Frati - born Colognora in 1840;
Their son Giovanni Anselmo Frati - born Colognora 1877;
His wife Leontina Frati (maiden name Nocchi) - born Villa a Roggio 1877;

Maria Erminia Mazzei - born Colognora 1849;

Giovanni Mazzei - born Colognora 1852 (last noted in England in 1925 but disappears).


ALSO

Does anybody have the facility to photograph the records held at the archives?

If so, would it be possible for someone to begin photographing the records of my family from 1823?

I have managed to obtain 4 images held at the Archives regarding 4 of my ancestors:

Maria Felicita Mazzei - death 1851;
Maria Rosa Mazzei (maiden name Guazzelli) - death 1870;
Luigi Mazzei - burial 1876;
Maria Rosa Mazzei (maiden name Lombardi) - burial 1881.

These are 2 civil records (1851 and 1870) and 2 church records (1876 and 1881).

Does this mean that the Arcivio Arcivescovile di Lucca holds both the civil and church records from 1821?

Or do the civil records only begin in 1851?

If possible I would like photographs (or colour photocopies) from the full pages of the registers.

I will pay any cost up front if the archives charge for this.

These are the images I have received, but if possible would like better images and also full page photo's scans:









Thanks again,

Darin.

[ery1]

Hi Darin,

If there is anybody else visiting the Arcivio Arcivescovile di Lucca for their own research and does have some spare time (please don't go specifically for me) can you please look through the archives for Colognora di Val di Roggio from 1902-1950 (providing they have them)

Diocesan Archive of Lucca (Archivio arcivescovile) is now closed and it will open on 21 September 2015, unfortunately I don't know if I can go there one more time...and I didn't finish checking all the registers for my research...

The Archive has records maybe up to 1910-1920 and for following periods you should submit a written request of an integral copy of the act (copia integrale) to Civil Status Office of commune of Pescaglia:
Ufficio Servizi Demografici e Commercio

Managing director: Sig. Bei Stefano
Employee: Sig.ra Ciabattari Anna Maria

Address:
Via Roma, 2 - Piano Primo – Pescaglia, Lucca, Italy
tel. 0039 0583/3540200-12

Does this mean that the Arcivio Arcivescovile di Lucca holds both the civil and church records from 1821?

Diocesan Archive of Lucca has only copy of church records from 1740 to about 1910-1920.

Or do the civil records only begin in 1851?

After 1851 the province of Lucca was made a part of the region of Toscana so civil registration begins, for towns within the province of Lucca, in 1852.

If possible I would like photographs (or colour photocopies) from the full pages of the registers.

Unluckily only the employees of the Archive can take photographs and I see that they couldn't do better than this...
Also there aren't full pages because some acts are short (in one case the act is on two lines, see: Luigi Mazzei - burial 1876).

Erica

[mazzie74]

Hi Erica

Thank you very much for your advice.

Can you advise the best way for me to check if Giovanni Mazzei did return and die in Colognora?

As I said he was last noted in England in 1925 (aged 73), but cannot be found in British death records (even under variant names).

He did live in France prior to living in Britain (and married a Frenchwoman in Nantes in 1881). His wife died in London in 1912.

So there is a possibility he returned to France.

As you said the records at the Lucca archives only go to about 1920, so that would be no good.

Is there anything else I can try?

Thanks again

Darin.

[mazzie74]

I had wrote to the "Comune di Pescaglia" before and they helped me once with the Stato di Famiglia di Mazzei which has Giovanni's birth and marriage, but not his death.

They say I must give them a year of death before they will search, but he could have died anytime between 1925-1950?

[ery1]

Giovanni Mazzei's death could be happened in Italy or France.
In Italy death records are held both by parish and commune but often they require the exact date before they will search.

You can try to ask the Registry Office of commune of Pescaglia (Ufficio Anagrafe - same address as Civil Status Office) an Historical State of the Family (Stato di famiglia storico) for Giovanni Mazzei indicating a date you prefer, for example March 1926.
This document isn't free but can tell you if he lived there at that time, also they (Ufficio Anagrafe) can see if he emigrated.

You can also ask the commune if any censuses have been preserved.

Erica

[ery1]

I see that Civil Status records (deaths) online for commune of Nantes go up to 1907:

http://www.archives.nantes.fr/PAGES/ENL ... _civil.htm

If you don't obtain positive answer from the commune of Pescaglia you should ask the commune of Nantes the same thing.

Erica

[mazzie74]

Hi again Erica

Thank you for the link - I didn't know French records were online.

The marriage indexes only seem to list the male's alphabetically, so unless I search every page I can't find the female marriages easily.

Regards

Darin.